Posts by Anony Mous

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The unending and fruitless argument on Trinity

by Longlivetherenegades in

those who say they are christians or follow christianity needs .

1. father .

2. jesus .

Anony Mous

@MeanMrMustard: because what you state is the view of Jesus according to Mormons (or Islam). So Christianity is a form of Judaism where the Messiah has returned (if you want to take a true historic viewpoint).

You cannot agree to reject the divinity of Christ as elaborated in the Nicene Creed and still be a Christian, it’s kind of the definition of being a Christian, every denomination has held this since the establishment of Christianity. The trinity is just the mechanics of how God came to Earth and died for our sins in a human body, because nobody can ‘see’ God in completeness and live, therefore there must be a part of God that came down (the Son) and a connecting force (the Holy Spirit). It’s more of an explanation, but you cannot say they are separate, that would be considered heresy. You can call your belief something else, but the majority of Christians would agree you are not a Christian if you reject that.

Judaism had similar expectations according to Rabbi Johanan bar Nappaha and Rabbi Abba Bar Kahana (3rd century AD) the Jews were still expecting God-in-the-flesh. The Chabad believes Rabbi Mendel Schneerson to be similarly the Messiah, a God-on-earth. I think more modern Judaism may reject that notion, but that may be to distinguish it from the idea of Jesus.

Note that even the Quran teaches that Jesus was the Messiah and will return during their interpretation of Armageddon, however like Mormons and Millerites do not teach that he is (a) God.

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The unending and fruitless argument on Trinity

by Longlivetherenegades in

those who say they are christians or follow christianity needs .

1. father .

2. jesus .

Anony Mous

@longlive: they are not 3 separate/itemized terms, that’s the difference between Christians and non-Christians.

There are only 2 main religious groups that reject trinitarianism and they are both followers of 19th century false prophets William Miller (which eventually became Bible Students, WTBTS and Adventists) and Joseph Smith (various sorts of Mormonism). They actually influenced each other and were in a bit of a tussle for prophecy and followers as they were both from the same region (Upstate New York), both seem to have copied some things from the other.

Mormons are thus close cousins to the JW belief system, and Mormonism is generally rejected as a Christian faith.

Joseph Smith had similar beliefs as that of William Miller, including the expectation that Christ’s return would happen soon, the rejection of the trinity and rejection of tradition, the Catholic Church and various Christian texts.
Joseph rejected Miller’s predictions for 1843 and 1844, stating instead that Christ could not come any sooner than 1890 or 1891 as it would take place in the lifetime of some of those living in the 1830s or 1840s.

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GB's latest prophecy is already wrong!!!

by nowwhat? in

at the annual meeting they said god will put it into the nations hearts to give their power to the united nations.

now that trump and the republicans have won, the united states will never give up their sovereignty to the u.n. !

trump has total disdain for the un, who and wef!

Anony Mous

@slimboyfat: the Nordstream 2 pipeline was stopped by Trump and Senator Cruz, Biden removed the restriction on Russia and Germany finishing it on day 3 of his administration, Russia invaded 12 months later with the glut of cash they had gotten off Germany’s Energiewende (they converted everything to wind and solar, reduced or eliminated reliance on French nuclear power and then went and begged Russia for oil so they wouldn’t freeze in winter).

The things you learned about the Marshall plan was apparent propaganda. Neither story is completely true, it doesn’t make sense that business would be better being taxed to pay for the rebuilding of Europe only to then get a trickle of that tax money back in international business. The Marshall plan allowed Europe and Japan to put in massive trade restrictions actually, 100% tariffs while the US was bound not to have tarrifs in return, that led to the Japanese car and electronics boom in the US starting in the 60s, the Europeans focused elsewhere while depending on the US for protection. They had all the leverage to export and closed their import markets to US trade.

The primary goal of the plan was to stand against future issues, when your country is in rubble, it is easy to get someone like Hitler back in power or someone like Stalin to just roll over the ruins, that was clearly stated along the way by many of those involved, they didn’t want the US to keep getting involved in future European issues and it worked to some extent, too well as socialists took advantage of the generosity to fund their utopian agendas. And you can clearly see that after the war, the US elected a series of weak presidents afraid to enforce the power they had, leading to Korean and Vietnam wars, domestically resulting in the hippie movement and Black Panthers and the Weather Underground.

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GB's latest prophecy is already wrong!!!

by nowwhat? in

at the annual meeting they said god will put it into the nations hearts to give their power to the united nations.

now that trump and the republicans have won, the united states will never give up their sovereignty to the u.n. !

trump has total disdain for the un, who and wef!

Anony Mous

@slimboyfat: the fact NATO members paid more and the US paid less was exactly the goal. That was initially the goal of the Marshal plan, to get European countries back on its feet to the point they can build a military to defend against a future recovering Germany and Soviet Russia except we pushed the Marshal plan along for over 75 years now, Europe has pumped it in failed social welfare programs, Germany is once again taking over Europe under guise of the EU (and the day after Trump was elected, their Socialist/Communist government collapsed) and Putin is rebuilding Soviet Russia.

Just like he said I will bomb Russia if they invade Ukraine, Putin said, no Mr. President, I don’t think you will, and Trump answers, well, I might. And that 5% chance that Trump will bring down your regime is enough for Iran and Russia and North Korea, hell, even the Taliban to sit straight and pay attention and come to the table.

And Iran was at a point under Trump where regime change was plausible, they had protests that were brutal and caused serious consternation in their people, but they were quickly running out of money, collapse was inevitable. Then Biden gave them $100B, took off the trade restrictions and allowed them to rebuild their military and terrorist networks through their oil economy, allowed them to build a nuclear strike capability (which some experts believe they now have between 1 and 10 warheads available) which brings us to the October 6th invasion of Israel.

Perhaps the only bright thing about the fact we have two more months of Biden is that between the cheating in the polls and the media, everybody believed Harris was going to win, including our enemies. I think even China got caught flat footed because they tried to influence the election severely through outlets like TikTok and direct influence on politicians (the string or arrests of spies working with Democrat politicians in DC, California, New York which are bringing those fake lawsuits) and now to mobilize against Taiwan in 2 months is not going to happen. The other great thing is that Trump can at least start negotiating with Ukraine and Russia and Israel and Hamas without violating the law and put down the terms, end the war, here is a carrot (loosening trade agreements and restrictions, land deals etc), and whoever does not agree gets the stick.

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JW WOMAN VOLUNTEER CRUSHED BY A WALL AT A KINGDOM HALL PROJECT

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/1skm8riz7qc?si=ww3ej9orl_91db4w.

the construction of a new jehovah’s witnesses kingdom hall in cybinka, poland, has once again shed light on the watchtower organization’s relentless drive to expand its real estate empire on the backs of unpaid, vulnerable volunteers.

every day, around 40 jehovah’s witnesses show up at the construction site, some traveling long distances, not for pay or proper protection, but to fulfill a sense of “spiritual duty” instilled by the organization.

Anony Mous

In regards the safety meeting - yes they had those about 10 years ago as well. But what good is a safety meeting when you have nobody that knows how to use the tools.

My point was that they pretend to know what is going on, have some halfwit in charge of safety, not based on his qualifications as a construction engineer but on whether his belief system is agreeable. Safety meetings are not coffee, prayer and hope all goes well out there. They are about specific topics, what kind of things are we doing today, what are others doing, what products and what chemicals and equipment will we see today, what went wrong yesterday.

And the majority of those questions can’t even be answered because, as others say, they don’t report them internally or externally, and they are volunteers that just showed up, how would they know. And the problem with quick builds is there are way too many people to do safety in the first place. You shouldn’t walk under scaffolding, except, how will you roll out the floor while people are still putting in windows, and if you don’t do that, you can’t make the claim that the building only takes 3 days. I’ve seen in one quick build, they were still closing up the roof while the dedication meeting had already started - basically a building full of people while someone is shooting a nailgun pointing down towards their heads.

It takes weeks and months to set up a building, not because any contractor couldn’t surge 300 people, it just becomes incredibly unsafe and inefficient.

An actual builder would require at least a 2 week training for each volunteer on their assigned section, or more for some like plumbing and electrical.

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Why do most Ex jW W‘s seem to be liberal?

by JaredScott-1977 in

i’m just curious about this dynamic i don’t care personally one way or the other but i do have friends who have chosen to be conservatives and they get totally destroyed on social media pages for their choice.

it’s almost like a lot of ex jw w become as toxic and his judgmental as jehovah’s witnesses themselves what’s up with that?

i also know conservative ex jw’s that can do the same so again i’m not leaning one way or the other i’m just noticing factual observations.

Anony Mous

@Jehalapeno: I consider myself anarchist as well, anarchy precludes socialism, you need a strong state to be a socialist. There are a few true anarchist state, usually after series of other governments failed, the once that succeed long term are exclusively capitalist and highly religious and tribal.

Meaning they trade with each other purely on value proposition, they don’t accept foreigners easily and they have strict codes that are surprising (at least to our expectations of eg. deep Muslim and Christian ideals) ethical and equal. They will include corporal punishment of children for example, that is graduated to the point that when you become an adult, you know not to do crime, and adult crime is punished severely, you may think women are repressed, but they have orders of magnitude less domestic abuse and assault on females compared to your average Western city even when measured by outside UN reports.

People don’t realize that without government, you become reliant on each other, including your women and children, people are happy because they have roles, you ask a woman in Africa whether she is happy, she will describe that she has children and a job to do, it is inconceivable to them that people think happiness is outside fulfilling your role in society.

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PRESIDENTIAL predictions...let the prognosticators have their say!

by Terry in

jw
friends

my only prowess in making predictions stems from my 77-years of life in the united statesgrowing up under president truman, eisenhower, kennedy, nixon, .....etc.

etc.i was a widdle kid sitting in front of a tiny black and white tv set when the very first broadcastsof political conventions, deal-making, debates (nixon vs kennedy), assassinations (jfk, rfk, martin luther king, etc.

) i grew up with duck and cover under my elementary schooldesk, the cold war, the iron curtain, the korean war, the vietnam war and i went to federal prisonas a jw conscientious objector while hippies, flower children, political activists protested and universitystudents were fired up on by troops.i grew up reading newspapers (2 of them).

Anony Mous

Things are dicey in Ukraine:

Biden is surging support (military equipment and advisors (aka boots on the ground)) in the region according to Karine Jean-Pierre, White House press secretary. They want to spend $9B (without congressional approval) between now and the end of his term.

Zelensky a few minutes ago rejected the call to a cease fire as they started bombing more Russian cities overnight (Ukraine has for several months, they have received the capacity to reach well beyond their borders)

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PRESIDENTIAL predictions...let the prognosticators have their say!

by Terry in

jw
friends

my only prowess in making predictions stems from my 77-years of life in the united statesgrowing up under president truman, eisenhower, kennedy, nixon, .....etc.

etc.i was a widdle kid sitting in front of a tiny black and white tv set when the very first broadcastsof political conventions, deal-making, debates (nixon vs kennedy), assassinations (jfk, rfk, martin luther king, etc.

) i grew up with duck and cover under my elementary schooldesk, the cold war, the iron curtain, the korean war, the vietnam war and i went to federal prisonas a jw conscientious objector while hippies, flower children, political activists protested and universitystudents were fired up on by troops.i grew up reading newspapers (2 of them).

Anony Mous

The biggest win will be international:

Banks worldwide are cutting interest rates (UK and US, EU to follow) markets are soaring.

Putin wants “a reset”, says Russia is ready for (peace) talks on Ukraine. Zelensky “welcomes” Trump win and had “productive” conversation towards the end of the war, agreeing to work with the Republican Congress.

Hamas leader calls for “immediate” end to hostilities, people in Gaza want Trump to “save us” from their Palestinian leaders, some locals interviewed by AP even said that rule by Israel would be preferred.

Brazil’s Lula suddenly wants democracy

Oprah wants to move to Canada, TikTok is full of schemes to immigrate leftists to Australia and New Zealand, Australia says they don’t want them.

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Trump wins

by gavindlt in

i am non political and have never voted but nonetheless i have been keenly watching to see how the trump presidential race unfolds.

i believe that his involvement in propelling or influencing a leaning toward bible prophecy will unfold.

how, i can’t say but something tells me that this anomaly and outlier being trump is highly signifiant!

Anony Mous

A soft landing in the business cycle is the process of an economy shifting from growth to slow-growth to potentially flat.

Great Achievement indeed. Democrats are like that dog in the meme when everything is on fire… this is fine!

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Trump wins

by gavindlt in

i am non political and have never voted but nonetheless i have been keenly watching to see how the trump presidential race unfolds.

i believe that his involvement in propelling or influencing a leaning toward bible prophecy will unfold.

how, i can’t say but something tells me that this anomaly and outlier being trump is highly signifiant!

Anony Mous

@Riley it’s called COVID-19 for a reason by the end of 2020 we knew what to do, what worked and what didn’t, we had a vaccine which the US funded development for the world. Whatever happened after that is on Biden, the 2021-2022 lockdowns, the mandates, none of that had to happen, it was proven to be wrong before they even got there. You can go see the stats yourself, 2021-2022 was nowhere near as bad as 2019-2020 when it comes to death and knowledge and financial impact. But as you stated, you won’t read facts from an apostate.